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Hallo Olaf K.
auch ich bin bisher bei meiner Auswahl der Festgelder so wie von dir beschrieben vorgegangen.
Ich danke dir für deine Einschätzung und werde diese in meine Überlegungen einfließen lassen.
Grüße Günter
@ Günter
Porsche Automobil Holding SE Anleihe WKN A351ML
Die Anleihe würde bei einem heutigen Kaufkurs 101,08 € mit 4,267 % pa rentieren. Siehe folgenden link:
https://www.zinsen-berechnen.de/bondrechner.php
Die Restlaufzeit beträgt 5,4 Jahre. Ich stehe in der Überlegung hier zu investieren. Einkaufskosten berücksichtigen!
Das 5 jährige Banca Systema hat meiner Ansicht nach a.) ein strukturelles Sicherheitsproblem und b.) reduziert sich die Rendite auf etwa 4 %, da die Zinsen ohne Zinseszinseffekt erst am Laufzeitende ausgezahlt werden.
Ich neige beim Festgeld zu einer wenigstens jährlichen Auszahlung oder wähle ein Festgeld mit auflaufendem Zins zum Ende der Laufzeit.
Nur meine bescheidene Einschätzung.
Hallo Stefan,
danke für die zeitnahe Antwort, der Verweis auf den Anleihenrechner sowie die Einschätzung zur Banca Sistema hilft mir bei meiner Entscheidung wesentlich weiter.
Grüße Günter
Hallo Günter,
einen Verlust wirst du bei dem von dir genannten Kurs nicht einfahren, aber der Coupon von 4,5 % schmilzt dann schnell dahin, wenn du beim Erwerb schon mal 1,181 € mehr bezahlen musst als der Ausgabepreis. Google mal nach Anleihenrechner ... damit kannst du dann mit den Eckdaten der Anleihe deine effektive Rendite berechnen.
Banca Sistema wäre in dem Fall wahrscheinlich sicherer, weil am Ende das politische Versprechen der Einlagensicherung steht, dich im Ernstfall voll zu entschädigen (bis 100.000 €). Soweit meine Meinung.
Aber eine ganz generelle Frage: Warum willst du einem einzelnen Unternehmen oder einer einzelnen Bank so viel Geld anvertrauen, wenn du dir Gedanken über die Sicherheit deiner Anlage machst. Die Natur diversifiziert "von Natur aus" und auch wir Anleger sollten es vermehrt tun, wenn uns das Geld wichtig ist :-)
Hoffe, das hilft weiter?
Mit besten Grüßen
Stefan
Hallo Stefan,
die Porsche Automobil Holding SE hat am Montag eine Anleihe (WKN A351ML) emittiert mit einem Kupon von 4,5% und einer Laufzeit bis 27.09.2028. Sie wurde mehrfach überzeichnet. Ich habe bisher noch keine Anleihen gekauft, somit auch wenigErfahrung. Wenn ich derzeit diese Anleihe mit einem aktuellen Kurs von 101,181 erwerbe und im Sept. 2028 die Anleihe mit 100 zurück bekomme habe ich dann vom eingesetzten Kapital z. B. in Höhe von 50.000Euro ohne Zinsen einen Verlust. Mir ginge es vorrangig um den Kupon von 4,5%. Meine zweite Frage an dich, oder auch an die anderen Forumsnutzer ist, wenn ich das Kapital als Festgeld bei der Banca Sistema auch auf 5 Jahre und mit 4,5% Zins anlgegen würde welche Anlage wäre sicherer, ich habe bisher Festgeldanlagen mit längeren Laufzeiten bei spanisch und italienischen Banken gemieden.
Grüße Günter