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echtzeit-verordnung
Columban, du hast da was Wichtiges angestoßen.Gib dich nicht zu früh zufrieden. Lies noch die hilfreichen Hinweise bei M.v.K. und spooky 78.
M.v.K. zitiert ausführlich die EU-VO 2024/886. Danach gilt die Echtzeit-Verpflichtung für alle "Zahlungskonten", d.h. Konten, die für "Zahlungsvorgänge" genutzt werden.
Und jetzt kommts: "Zahlungsvorgang" ist der Transfer bzw. die Abhebung eines Geldbetrags (EU-Definition).
Darunter fällt m.e. zweifellos der Transfer vom TG-Konto auf eine andere Bank; ja, es wird sogar eigens betont, die Überweisung müsse nicht der Erfüllung einer Verpflichtung bzw. Schuld dienen.
Das bedeutet, daß auch die bloße Umschichtung auf ein Konto bei einer anderen Bank unter die Echtzeit-Pflicht fällt.
Unverständlich, wie sich unser aller BaFin (siehe Auskunft an spooky 78 im Tagesgeldvergleich am 20.1.25) um klare Stellungnahme drückt.
Ergänzend zu dem Thema und dem genannten Beitrag von Spooky78 findest du Quellenangaben zu den relevanten Dokumenten (EU-Richtlinie und -Verordnung) in https://www.kritische-anleger.de/volkswagen-bank/plus-konto-topzins/ablehnung-von-echtzeitueberweisung-bei-volkswagen-bank-auf-tagesgeldkonto/#Beitrag_20667
@ columban: Die Regelung gilt nicht zwingend für TG-Konten, weil diese i.d.R. keine Zahlungskonten sind (siehe: https://www.kritische-anleger.de/forum/tagesgeld/unklarheit-ueber-echtzeitueberweisungen-bei-tagesgeldkonten-bleibt-bestehen/#Beitrag_20888).
Bitte am Anfang eines Beitrags den Betreff zum Beitrag schreiben! Hier z. B. "im ewr-raum €-überweisungen in echtzeit". Dann kann ich schnell entscheiden, ob der Beitrag mich interessiert, und muss ihn nicht erst öffnen.
@ columban Sofern du Tagesgeld-Konten meinst: "Dies gilt für alle Zahlungskonten (z.?B. Girokonten), nicht aber Sparkonten wie klassische Tagesgeldkonten." meint ChatGPT dazu und so argumentieren auch verschiedene Banken. Das TG der Raiba Hochtaunus kann Echtzeit in beide Richtungen.
diskussionsanregung zu einem thema, das uns doch alle angeht:
seit 9.1.25 muß jede bank im ewr-raum €-überweisungen in echtzeit annehmen.
das tun aber viele nicht.
nach den erfahrungen in meinem bekanntenkreis sind es z.b. bankofscotland, garanti, nibc, raiba hochtaunus, ford, stellantis, credit europe und baader.
weiß denn jemand, wo die rechtsgrundlage für die echtzeit-pflicht ist? hat sich schon jemand bei der bafin beschwert?
und warum lassen wir uns die offene mißachtung einer regel/vorschrift gefallen?